FIGU Forum Q&A/FIGU论坛问答 – San Francisco Earthquake Photos

资讯源头:FIGU/ ‘Billy’ Eduard Albert Meier
资讯主题:FIGU论坛问答 之 “San Francisco Earthquake Photos”

资讯来源:「FIGU Forum」
http://forum.figu.org/..(资讯链接随问题注释)
内容中译:利昂小子
校译日期:2019年05月20日,周一
推送类型:中文域-[中译]
资讯备注:这是一篇非正式且未经授权的中译版资讯,内容基于英文源版译制,请注意我们的译文可能存在错误。
资讯注释:FIGU论坛上的回复不一定都是Billy本人做出的,也有可能是经由「Semjase Silver Star Center/Semjase银星中心」的核心小组成员转达Billy的意思;又或依据Billy的教导和解释做出的说明。

Question:
论坛上的提问:

San Francisco Earthquake Photos:
「San Francisco Earthquake Photos/三藩市地震照片」:


CR 104, 1978
在「Contact Report/接触报告」-104#(1978年)中

Billy:
Billy:
..And surely it doesn’t matter, if I then also publish these photographs, if they come out well, is that okay?
…这当然没关系,如果它们冲洗出来还不错的话,我是否也可以随后将这些照片发布出来,那样可以吗?

Quetzal:
Quetzal:
89. Surely there would be nothing to object against this, for thereby very many people would then leave San Francisco and settle elsewhere before the catastrophe arises.
89. 当然,没什么可以反对这么做,因为这样一来,会有非常多的人随后离开「San Francisco/三藩市」,并在灾难发起前…移居到别处。

90. 这会拯救非常多的人命。
90. This would save very many human lives.

Billy:
Billy:
…Yet listen now: somewhere must be a building, which should be known as the America-Building or similar; so get me there.
…但现在听我说:在某处一定有一座建筑,这座建筑应该是被称为‘America-Building/美国大厦’-[注] 或类似的什么;所以,就带我去那儿吧。

利昂注释:Billy口中的“America-Building/美国大厦”,既是矗立在「San Francisco/三藩市」的「Transamerica Pyramid/泛美大厦」。

This I want to photograph above all, so that no one can come and claim that I would have taken photographs of the last great quake at the turn of the century.
这是我最想拍的,这样…就不会有人走过来声称:我本来可以拍摄在世纪之交的最后一场‘great quake/大地震’的照片(…但我却没有拍/没能拍)。


In CR 106, 1978, you come to know that a year earlier a similar looking painting was published in Geo magazine and talked to quetzal who then expressed the following statement:
在「Contact Report/接触报告」-106#(1978年)中,您得知了在一年前,一幅相似展现的绘画就已经被发表在了「GEO Magazine/Geo杂志」上,您和Quetzal谈了这件事,Quetzal随即做出了以下表态:

Quetzal:
Quetzal:
51. However, under the circumstances it is likely better, if I take the photographs, as well as also the negatives of the film, in order to protect you from further attacks.
51. 不仅如此,在这种情况下,我最好是将照片连同视频的底片一起拿走,以保护你免受更进一步的攻击。


Wendelle stevens in his Message from the Pleiades says the following on this issue:
「Wendelle stevens」在他的「Message from the Pleiades/来自Plejaren的信息」中,就该问题如是说:

A few days after that, Meier was summoned to a new contact and was asked to bring the photographs with him which he did. The visitors(Plejaren) wanted to have their scientists look at the pictures, too, and they took the negatives and prints with them. When Meier tried to get the pictures back, he was rebuked for showing them to us without their approval, and against their instructions not to do so until after the event. Those pictures have never been returned to him. Thus today we do not have any solid evidence that those pictures were ever taken.
在那件事发生的几天之后,Meier被召唤去见一位新的‘contact/接触使者’,并被要求带上他所拍摄的照片。访者们(Plejaren)想让他们的科学家也看下这些照片,于是他们拿走了底片连同照片。当Meier试图把照片要回来的时候,他被指责未经他们(Plejaren)批准就把这些照片展示给了我们(「Wendelle Stevens」的调查团队),由此,违反了他们(Plejaren)…必须在事件发生后才能这么做的…的指令。(至此…)那些照片就再也没有归还给他(Billy)。因此,我们今天没有任何确凿的证据…证明那些照片确实曾被拍摄过。

Why did Quetzal change his position, when in CR 104, he gives permission to you to publish all the photos of future earthquake destruction of SF but again in CR 106 takes all these back ?
Quetzal为什么改变了他的立场,在「Contact Report/接触报告」-104#中,他授权给了您,允许您将所有「San Francisco/三藩市」未来「Earthquake/地震」破坏的照片发布出来,但在「Contact Report/接触报告」-106#中,他又收回了所有这些授权?

And if what wendelle above says is true, why would plejaren rebuke you for showing these pics to the 10 members(including the American investigators) when these were supposed to be published for all the world to see and move away from SF to save their lives ?
如果「Wendelle Stevens」上面所说的是真的,这些照片本应被公开发布出来,从而让世人远离「San Francisco/三藩市」以保住他们的性命的话,那为什么Plejaren又会指责您向10名成员(包括来‘American investigators/美国调查人员’)展示这些照片呢?

What caused Quetzal to change his decision ?
是什么导致Quetzal改变了他的决定呢?

Also how is that by taking away all the 11 color print photos(where 1 pic out of 11 was very similar to GEO magazines painting & the rest 10 would not be), would save you from further attacks when in fact you could publish all the 11 photos which gives you more credence/leverage to your side of the story thus convincing thousands of people in california & in other places to move away from their homes and save their lives.
还有,拿走全部11张彩色打印照片(11张照片中有一张与「GEO Magazines/GEO杂志」发布的照片非常相似,但另外10张不会是这样啊),又如何会保护您免受更进一步的攻击呢(?),因为事实上,您可以发布全部11张照片,这些照片可以给您的故事立场增添更多的可信度和筹码,以此,说服数以千计的居住在「California/加利福尼亚」和其它地方的人们,搬离他们(在那里)的家,以此保住他们的性命。

Pavani
Pavani

Answer:
来自FIGU的回复:

It was Quetzal’s decision because he was angry about the circumstances.
这是Quetzal的决定,因为他对当时的情况很是生气。

Note by CF:
来自Christian Frehner的注释:

For any rationally thinking, intelligent person who is thoroughly studying the ‘Meier material’ it should be clear that San Francisco will be destroyed in the not too far future.
对于任何有理性思考并深入研学‘Meier material/Meier素材’的智者来说,他们应该都很清楚:「San Francisco/三藩市」将在不远的将来被摧毁。

No photos are necessary to come to this realisation.
不需要照片来实现这一点。

It’s just a case of whether or not an individual decision is made by all those people who are living in the San Franciso region.
这只是一个…{无论一个个体的决定是否是由所有那些生活在「San Franciso/三藩市」区域的人们所做出的…(但结局都不会有改变)}…的案例。

And this, by the way, also matters with other locations around the Pacific and elsewhere.
有关这场「Earthquake/地震」,顺便说一句,也会影响到环「Pacific/太平洋」的其它地点…和其它地域。


Question:
论坛上的提问:

Dear Meier,
亲爱的Meier,

The following was your reply to my question as to why has Quetzal destroyed all the 11 San Francisco Earthquake Photos when only one was found to be similar to an illustration from a magazine.
以下是您对我关于…(为什么Quetzal破坏了所有11张「San Francisco Earthquake Photos/三藩市地震照片」,但当时仅有一张照片被发现与某一本杂志的插图相似)…的问题的回答:

Answer:
— —来自FIGU的回复:

It was Quetzal’s decision because he was angry about the circumstances.
这是Quetzal的决定,因为他对当时的情况很是生气。

I would like to know, what were the circumstances that made Quetzal angry about ?
我想知道,当时是什么情况使得Quetzal如此生气?

Was he angry about the coincidence that an identical illustration has appeared in a magazine published much earlier with the aid of BAAWI’s impulses ?
他是对…(在BAAWI脉冲帮助下更早发布的一版杂志中,出现了一张相同的插图)…这一巧合,感到生气吗?

If so, then Quetzal could have just taken that specific identical photograph and let the rest 10 photographs be published which according to Quetzal:
如果是这样的话化,那Quetzal完全可以拿走那张具体相同的照片,并让剩余的10张照片发布出来啊,根据Quetzal的说法:


CR 104, 1978
在「Contact Report/接触报告」-104#(1978年)中

Quetzal:
89. …nothing to object against this, for thereby very many people would then leave San Francisco and settle elsewhere before the catastrophe arises.
89. …没什么可以反对这么做,因为这样一来,会有非常多的人随后离开「San Francisco/三藩市」,并在灾难发起前…移居到别处。

90. This would save very many human lives.
90. 这会拯救非常多的人命。

Pavani
Pavani

Answer:
来自FIGU的回复:

He was angry because there were people who accused Billy of having taken photographs from the magazin picture, even if that wasn’t true as has been asserted by Bernadette Brand when she compared Billy’s photos with the picture in GEO magazine.
他生气,是因为(当时)有人指责Billy是从杂志图片上拍摄的照片,尽管那不是真的,这一点已经经由Bernadette Brand在当时将Billy的照片和「GEO Magazine/GEO杂志」中的图片进行比对之后,得出了确证。

Note by CF:
来自Christian Frehner的注释:

As has been stated earlier, hardly any person would leave San Franciso for good if the photo would be inserted into the Contact Report.
如之前所述,即便是该照片被插入了「Contact Report/接触报告」,也几乎不会有人(想要)永久地离开「San Franciso/三藩市」。

If Billy’s warning by now has not been heeded, an additional photo will not change anything.
如果Billy的‘warning/警告’到现在都还没有得到重视,那一张额外的照片…也不会改变任何事。


Question:
论坛上的提问:

Meier, The following was your reply to my question on Why Quetzal was angry on one single photo being similar but not identical to San Francisco Earthquake illustration published in GEO magazine:
Meier,以下是您对我有关…(Quetzal为什么会对一张相似…但与发布在「GEO magazine/GEO杂志」中的「San Francisco Earthquake/三藩市地震」插图不完全相同的单版照片…感到生气)…的问题的回答:

Answer:
— —来自FIGU的回复:

He was angry because there were people who accused Billy of having taken photographs from the magazin picture, even if that wasn’t true as has been asserted by Bernadette Brand when she compared Billy’s photos with the picture in GEO magazine.
他生气,是因为(当时)有人指责Billy是从杂志图片上拍摄的照片,尽管那不是真的,这一点已经经由Bernadette Brand在当时将Billy的照片和「GEO Magazine/GEO杂志」中的图片进行比对之后,得出了确证。

Note by CF:
— —来自Christian Frehner的注释:

As has been stated earlier, hardly any person would leave San Franciso for good if the photo would be inserted into the Contact Report.
如之前所述,即便是该照片被插入了「Contact Report/接触报告」,也几乎不会有人(想要)永久地离开「San Franciso/三藩市」。

If Billy’s warning by now has not been heeded, an additional photo will not change anything.
如果Billy的‘warning/警告’到现在都还没有得到重视,那一张额外的照片…也不会改变任何事。

I still don’t understand the logic behind it which I have already pointed out earlier.
我仍然不太理解…我早前已经指出的(问题)背后的逻辑。

Could you please elaborate more on the logic behind it ?
您能更多地详尽阐述一下这背后的逻辑吗?

— —该提问者早前指出的问题:

Also how is that by taking away all the 11 color print photos(where 1 pic out of 11 was very similar to GEO magazines painting & the rest 10 would not be), would save you from further attacks when in fact you could publish all the 11 photos which gives you more credence/leverage to your side of the story..
还有,拿走全部11张彩色打印照片(11张照片中有一张与「GEO Magazines/GEO杂志」发布的照片非常相似,但另外10张不会是这样啊),又如何会保护您免受更进一步的攻击呢(?),因为事实上,您可以发布全部11张照片,这些照片可以给您的故事立场增添更多的可信度和筹码…

If we use the same logic, why didn’t Plejaren remove the Apollo-Soyuz & cave-men pictures from your ‘genuine’ photo collection, when they are clearly shown to be fakes by Mahigitam ?
如果我们采用相同的逻辑,那为什么…当「Apollo-Soyuz/阿波罗联盟号」和「Cave-Men/洞穴人」的图片被Mahigitam明确证实为伪造时,Plejaren不把它们从您的‘genuine/真品’照片辑中…除去呢?

Skeptics also accused of faking several beamship photos.
怀疑论者还指责(您)伪造了几张「Beamship/光船」的照片。

Why didn’t Plejaren take them back ?
为什么Plejaren不把这些照片收回呢?

Dear CF,
亲爱的Christian Frehner,

It was Quetzal’s logic and decision to let Meier publish all 11 San Francisco photos, by which thousands of people can move away from California and save their lives (CR 104, 1978).
之前是Quetzal的逻辑和决定,让Meier发布所有11张「San Francisco/三藩市」(「Earthquake/地震」)的照片,通过这么做,成千上万的人会远离「California/加利福尼亚」,从而保住他们的性命(「Contact Report/接触报告」-104#,1978年)。

Are you saying that Quetzal was wrong in his thinking ?
您是在说…Quetzal的想法出现了错误吗?

Pavani
Pavani

Answer:
来自FIGU的回复:

Just as it is the case with the human beings of Earth, Plejaren can also get angry and do things which are not ‘entirely’ logical.
就像「Earth/地球」上的「Human Beings/人类」的情况一样,Plejaren也会生气,并做出一些不‘entirely/完全’合乎逻辑的事情。

Note by CF:
来自Christian Frehner的注释:

Since Plejaren human beings are human beings, they are not perfect and, therefore, may act illogically sometimes.
由于Plejaren「Human Beings/人类」也是「Human Beings人类」,(所以…)他们并不是完美无暇的,也正因为此,有些时候会表现得不合逻辑。

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