FIGU Forum Q&A – Robots/Androids/FIGU论坛问答 – 机器人/机器人

资讯源头:FIGU/ ‘Billy’ Eduard Albert Meier
资讯主题:FIGU论坛问答 之 “Robots/Androids”

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校译日期:2019年05月14日,周二
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Question:
论坛上的提问:

hi dear Billy and Christian
嗨,亲爱的Billy和Christian

my question is this:
我的问题是这个:

is it really possible for machines ‘to become conscious’, to have a ‘will’ of their own and evolve?
机器是否真有可能‘to become conscious/变得有意识’,从而拥有一个它们自己的‘will/意志’并得以进化发展呢?

i imagine that it is not possible a real evolution like ours, but since this world always have surprises i prefer to ask. . .
我试想这应该不太可能是一种…像我们(人类)这样的…真正的「Evolution/进化」,但考虑到这个世界上总是有意外状况出现,所以,我还是想要问一问…

thanks
谢谢

and take care
请保重

Memo00
Memo00

Answer:
来自FIGU的回复:

No, that’s not possible.
不,那是不可能的。

The machine would need an organic brain (this, however, could be artificially produced).
(要实现这一点…)机器会需要一个‘organic brain/有机大脑’(然而,这个‘organic brain/有机大脑’…是可以被‘artificially produced/人工制造’的)。


Question:
论坛上的提问:

Hi Billy,
嗨,Billy,

I remember reading in FIGU materials, that animals and even plants posses some sort of spirit form(but their spirits are not evolving toward wisdom and knowledge as humans spirits do).
我记得在FIGU资料中读到:「Animals/动物」甚至是「Plants/植物」都(能够)拥有某种形式的「Spirit Form/灵魄」,但它们的「Spirits/灵(魄)」不会像人类的「Spirits/灵(魄)」那样…趋向「Wisdom/智慧」和「Knowledge/知识」的方向/领域进化发展。

Since (some) plants posses spirit form, then is it possible that a very complex man-made devices (like computers) could also posses some sort of spirit form?
既然(‘some/某些’)「Plants/植物」都(能)拥有「Spirit Form/灵魄」,那么一台非常复杂的人造设备(像是计算机)…是否也有可能会拥有某种形式的「Spirit Form/灵魄」呢?

Can we say that a spirit is actually interaction (i.e. information exchange) among many components of some system (be it neurons in a brain or transistors in microprocessor) ?
我们能不能这么说:「Spirit/灵(魄)」实际上是在某种系统(作为「Brain/大脑」中的「Neurons/神经元」…又或是作为「Microprocessor/微处理器」中的「Transistors/晶体管」)的许多组件中的…‘interaction/交互’(即:‘information exchange/信息交流’)呢?

Solar
Solar

Answer:
来自FIGU的回复:

No, computers cannot posses a spirit form, unless an organic brain is built in somewhere.
不,计算机无法拥有「Spirit/灵(魄)」,除非有一个‘organic brain/有机大脑’被内置在(该计算机的)某处。


Question:
论坛上的提问:

Dear Billy and Christian:
亲爱的Billy和Christian:

Thank you for the response, I do understand better now what is positive degeneration and now I can think of many many more examples here on earth.
感谢您们的回应,我现在对什么是「Positive Degeneration/积极退化」确实有更多的理解了,而且,我现在可以想到非常、非常多发生在「Earth/地球」上的例子。

I read a little bit of the history of Henok and what I don’t understand and I am having conflicts with is the following:
我读了一点(关于)「Henok」的历史资料,但让我无法理解…并觉得自相矛盾的是:

If the Lyrian group of people, who lost their capacity to fight, were very advanced in technology I supose, why did they feel the need to create new humans instead of building robots that they could control with a button or a switch.
如果失去了战斗力的‘Lyrian group of people/天琴(种族)的人类’,我设想他们在「Technology/科技」领域非常先进,但他们为什么会觉得有必要‘create/创造’-‘new humans/新人类’,而不是‘building/制造’那些…他们用一个按钮又或一个开关就能控制的…「Robots/机器人」呢?

Didn’t they know that creating new humans would involve having a spirit in them, and therefore they themselves could reincarnate in this new ‘fighters’ humans.
他们难道不知道‘creating/创造’-‘new humans/新人类’,会涉及到(需要在新生命体中)注入「Spirit/灵(魂)」吗(?),由此,他们自己就也有可能在这些新的‘fighters/斗士’人类中转世(?)。

I can think of more problems coming from this, then my question would be: why the need of creating human life instead of artificial ‘fighters’ machines?
我还能想到更多由此衍生出的麻烦事,所以我的问题是:为什么需要‘creating/创造’-‘human life/人类生命’,而不是‘building/制造’人造的‘fighters/斗士’机器呢?

Thank you very much for your time and many greetings to both of you, Salome
非常感谢您们花时间解答我的问题,真诚地向您们两位致敬,Salome

Marcela
Marcela

Answer:
来自FIGU的回复:

Robots, or androids, are more dangerous than genetically manipulated human beings.
「Robots/机器人」,或者「Androids/机器人」,要比受基因操纵的「Human Beings/人类」…更加危险。

In a human being there always remains some ‘good’ factors and at leasts remains of a conscience, which is not the case when androids are stepping over a limit and are turning towards eliminating human beings.
「Human Being/人类」自身总是会保有一些‘good/善’的元素,且至少能够保有一份「Conscience/良知」,但这种情况并不适用于「Androids/机器人」,尤其是当它们跨越某种限制…进而转向消灭「Human Beings/人类」时。

The Sirians (not Lyrians) were aware of this.
「Sirians/天狼星人」(不是「Lyrians/天琴人」)在过去就已经意识到了这一点。

Btw:
顺便说一句:

While it is a necessary part of progress that robots and androids are and will be created here on Earth, there looms a great danger behind all of this:
虽然,作为发展的一个必要环节,「Robots/机器人」和「Androids/机器人」(注定)会在目前和将来…在「Earth/地球」上‘created/被创造’出来,但这一切的背后却隐藏着一个巨大的危机:

When robots or androids are capable to think independently, they may start to duplicate themselves and start to eliminate their creators: the human beings.
当「Robots/机器人」或「Androids/机器人」有能力自主思考时,它们就有可能开始(执行)自我复制,并开始终结他们的‘creators/创造者’:「Human Beings/人类」。


Question:
论坛上的提问:

If the ability be aware of or sensitive to something is said to be called as ‘being conscious’; then are all those androids(created to think & do things for themselves) created by ET’s(Plejaren & others) said to be truly conscious or self-conscious as we do ?
如果意识到某些事,或者对某些事的敏感…被称为‘being conscious/具有意识’的话,那所有那些被「ET/外星人类」(Plejaren和其他外星种族)‘created/创造’出来的「Androids/机器人」(‘created/被创造’出来以自我思考和自主行事),是否也都真的具有‘conscious/意识’(?)…又或是像我们(「Human Beings/人类」)那样可以‘self-conscious/自我意识’呢?

If we have created an artifical brain with the same complexity of a human brain powered by some artifical or organic machine,will it become conscious(like we experience) ?
如果我们‘created/创造’一个‘artifical brain/人造大脑’,其复杂程度与…由某种人造或有机机器驱动的…‘human brain/人类大脑’相同,那它会变得有‘conscious/意识’吗(就像我们经历的那样)?

Or does it definitively need a spirit-form for it to be truly called conscious or self-conscious entity ?
又或者…它确实明确地需要有一个「Spirit-form/灵魄」的注入,才能真正被称为是…(有‘conscious/意识’…或是(有)‘self-conscious/自我意识’…的实体?

In other words, is being self-conscious or having a subjective integral experience the product of just the spirit-form or is it also possible with artificial/Organic machines ?
换句话说,是具有‘self-conscious/自我意识’的…又或仅仅只是一个具有主观整体经验的「Spirit-form/灵魄」的产物(?),还是…也有可能是一种人造/‘Organic/有机’的机器呢?

Pavani
Pavani

It is also possible to create artificial brains/androids, which are conscious of themselves.
也有可能‘create/创造’出具有自我‘conscious/意识’的‘artificial brains/人造大脑’/「Androids/机器人」。

What is necessary is that there is a spirit-form present.
必要条件是,要有一个「Spirit-form/灵魄」存在。

Please correct me if i am wrong.
如果我(这么说/理解)是错的,请纠正我。

In your answer are you suggesting that androids can only be self-conscious(like we humans do) when they have a spirit-form(SF) ?
在您的回答中,您是否在暗示:「Androids/机器人」只有在它们拥有「Spirit-form/灵魄」(「SF」)时,才能‘self-conscious/自我意识’(就像我们人类那样)。

If that is the case, then which type of SF would this be ?
如果是这样的话,那这会是哪一种「SF」(即:「Spirit-form/灵魄」)呢?

I am guessing that by using a OMEDAM SF for an android would violate the natural law because androids are initially created for a purpose, mostly to do/assist things for human beings or the like.
我猜想:将一个‘OMEDAM SF/OMEDAM灵魄’运用在一台「Android/机器人」身上,是违反「Natural Law/自然法则」的,因为「Androids/机器人」最初是为了一个…(主要为「Human Beings/人类」做事/提供帮助,或与之类似事情的)…目的,而‘created/被创造’出来的。

So i think it would not be ethical to use the SF of a human being for material purposes.
所以,我认为将一个「Human Being/人类」的「SF」(即:「Spirit-form/灵魄」)用于‘material purposes/物质目的’…是不道德的。

So i am guessing the SF might belong to other than the OMEDAM SFs.
所以,我猜想这类「SF」(即:用在「Androids/机器人」身上的「Spirit-form/灵魄」)有可能并不属于‘OMEDAM SFs/OMEDAM灵魄’。

Mahigitam
Mahigitam

Answer:
来自FIGU的回复:

Androids are enlivened by an artificially-created spirit-form, i.e. they have no OMEDAM SF.
「Androids/机器人」是由一种‘artificially-created/人工创造’的「Spirit-form/灵魄」给激活的,也就是说,它们并没有‘OMEDAM SF/OMEDAM灵魄’。

Note by CF:
来自Christian Frehner的注释:

Therefore their conciousness and self-consciousness processes must be different than that of real human beings.
因此,它们的「Conciousness/意识」和「Self-consciousness/自我意识」进程,一定是与真正的「Human Beings/人类」有所不同的。

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